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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic Zone

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podcast episode number 569 for the 8th

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of September 2019 Richardson is here

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with you from pier 39 in San Francisco

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home of the sea lions which are lazing

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and basking around for the hundreds and

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hundreds of tourists on this cool day to

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come and see this has been a major

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tourist attraction for San Francisco

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decades I think it is after the sea

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lions decided to take over part of the

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floating docks down here it's quite a

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sight to see them all lazing about and a

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smell coming up on this week's show and

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the reason why this is episode number

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569 soon coming up on this week's show

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we're gonna kick off with an interview

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with Jonathan Gerry from Quebec Canada

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now he has recently put out a wonderful

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very interesting video all about

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Eirik and lingo oh yes that evergreen

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that pillar of quackery ear candling

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it's an impressive video I found it very

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educational and as you'll find out it's

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actually helps me to change a

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long-standing habit of mine find out

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more when I interview

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following that we have a very unusual

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situation of a travel advisory a travel

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alert for residents of New South Wales

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heading to New Zealand of all places why

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would there be a travel alert from the

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New South Wales Health Department for a

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country like New Zealand find out soon

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and around off the show may not heads

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for Sydney skeptics in the pub to us

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pubs us pub go is the big question was

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there a moment or the point of time and

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an incident in the event that turns you

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into a skeptic now the reason this is

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episode number 569 and not 568 is that

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episode 568 is the live skeptic CERN

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recorded at DragonCon

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and you can see that by visiting skeptic

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zone TV now that was put together by the

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very hard-working crew of calico Cove

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who were doing the audio video for

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Dragon Con MOT this site and his team

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and you can see and they're putting them

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up bit by bit you can see lots of videos

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from the event at video dots kept track

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org and I will certainly be linking that

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in the show notes

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and it was like I stepped into a TV

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studio folks I've never seen such an

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elaborate production equipment for a

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convention before there was a control

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room halfway down the thus kept track

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all sorts of things going on and it is

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certainly something to see anyway you

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can check out the live skeptic zone see

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the production that went into that at

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skeptic zone TV and now it's time for me

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to walk away from these see lines I

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think they're doing ok I'm gonna find

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some nice clam chowder and root beard

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while I'm doing that I hope you enjoy

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joining me now all the way from Montreal

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in Canada are now that's a place I'd

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love to visit it's somebody whose video

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I just saw the other day for the first

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it's Jonathan Gerry hello Jonathan hi

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Richard how are you I'm very well and

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I'm very happy to talk with you because

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some years ago the Australian skeptics

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put out an open letter to the pharmacies

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of Australia imploring them not to sell

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ear candles and I'll link to that on the

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show notes folks he can read that for

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yourself and I can still go into

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pharmacies these days in around Sydney

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anyway and find ear candles which was a

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pity and then a few days ago I think

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about ear candles which was really good

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for many points of view and we'll get to

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the details in a moment but what

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video yeah I used to do a show so I work

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society we're very lucky we have an

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office here at McGill that is dedicated

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science communicator working for them

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a job which is which is really quite the

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privilege and and I had a show that ran

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vein of what John Oliver and John

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Stewart have been doing and it wasn't

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comes to skepticism about how we go

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a PR problem which is that you know we

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are often perceived as arrogant and

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know-it-alls and you know facts don't

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that have found a different way of

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talking about this The Skeptical message

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we have we have a fantastic science

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communicator on the French side here in

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Montreal called Evie Bell now you can

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Pharma fist comm and he has a TV show

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that is the best TV show on skepticism

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that I've seen and it's really about you

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know taking the viewer on a journey to

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the conclusion as opposed to just being

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very paternalistic and saying hey this

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thing doesn't work I've looked at there

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are the studies trust me on this so I

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wanted to do a video that was more in

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that vein of you know let me show you

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why your candles don't worry let me

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we'll start together not knowing what

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the answer is and after you know 15

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evidence that this thing not only

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doesn't work but it's actually quite

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dangerous so I took one of these ear

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candles to the chemistry lab at McGill

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if when you stick this in your ear you

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light it on fire it creates a vacuum and

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this will this will grab that your wax

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inside your ear and just pull it out but

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of course you need to create a very

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powerful vacuum to do that and there's

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no detectable vacuum when you do this

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1996 and that will just play a quick

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clip from the video now so I just bought

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my ear candles here they are we're told

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ear candling can help treat sinus

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infections relieve headaches improve

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visions we definitely don't practice it

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by ourselves and we often deal with the

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complications of your candling

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didn't go well $40 so there's a hound

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seller charging $40 and recommending two

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to three sessions with their homemade

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how effective Health Canada can truly be

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at regulating this and protecting the

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public well I'm holding in my hands

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is essentially illegal in Canada and in

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the United States now I didn't commit an

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illegal act by purchasing these ear

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candles but the person who sold them to

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hands on these so so that was the idea

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behind the videos as slowly to take

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people through this thing and then also

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to make them understand why these your

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candles are actually illegal in Canada

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in the United States so you cannot

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country for medical reasons but of

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that's and that's where Health Canada

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says well it's touchy we're not quite

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organization they don't necessarily have

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quacks and charlatans that are selling

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all of these kinds of products so it is

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to denounce these things when they pop

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up it's absolutely true and you make an

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interesting point because as one of our

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situation back in Australia with raw

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milk people were selling it as bath milk

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know though selling it to people who

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wanted to drink the stuff but I loved

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the video because you're right you take

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people through the stages you have a

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the testing and we could all see for

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ourselves but there's no detectable

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vacuum caused which is the number-one

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selling point of ear candles you know it

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creates a vacuum which draws up the wax

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and then you speak to another scientist

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who who has changed my life because I

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will now no longer use ear buds in my

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ear I see well well the ear buds are

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fine the the point that the ear nose and

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throat specialist was was saying

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was making was that you know you

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canal including q-tips and and I was

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true like on the back of the packaging

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of q-tips it says do not put this in

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your ear canal because you know you can

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actually push earwax further down and

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make the problem worse and I love the

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way that she explained the reason for

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earwax and it just made so much sense

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that I'm it's changed my life

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you to do so it's very well done I

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have I mean this video is part of the

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podcast that I do have been doing this

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cardiologist dr. Christopher la Bose and

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pills or autism and we also have we work

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and all that all those kinds of things

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production values do some color grading

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all that kind of stuff but skeptics you

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know I think that we've been lagging

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tends to be a little bit more on the

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creaky side so I've been trying to sort

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of up the game as far as far as I'm

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ya know it looks good it looks good now

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how does that tie in with body of

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evidence is that the same thing we're

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talking about yes so the body of

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evidence is a podcast that was it was

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pitched to me by but by this this local

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medical doctor

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that I met about five years ago we were

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both doing science communication on the

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side I had a different podcast at the

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time I interviewed him for it

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and he said hey I've always you know

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topics on health topics something you

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know kind of funny and but also very

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evidence-based cuz again there's a lot

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of noise and and nonsense on the on the

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health front and so we ended up creating

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this this monthly podcast that started

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again if about about four and a half

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years ago on all of these these

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different topics you know vitamins and

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and and vaping and dieting and all those

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sorts of topics and to try and you know

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show people the best available at what

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is the body of evidence on a particular

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topic actually a show to teach them

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basic notions on epidemiology and on

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scientific methodology like why do we

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trust this particular study but not that

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study what was the problem with that

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study and then the second half of the

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show is more topical so we deal with you

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know what's been in the news in the past

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month often you know what did the media

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get wrong about a new study on health

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why did they think we're gonna get a

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cure for Parkinson's disease in five to

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ten years but that's not what the study

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actually shows and we tried to do it

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with a lot of humor we have an opening

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skit at the beginning that is that's

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quite quite comedic and as I mentioned

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we work with with comedians and and

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musicians and I think that's something

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that again skeptics could do more of I

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mean it's been very very valuable to us

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to have people who are also skeptically

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minded but who don't have a background

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in science or medicine they want to

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contribute to the skeptical movement but

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they can't you know look at the evidence

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and and come up with with some kind of

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conclusion but they can sing they can

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play the guitar that can design websites

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they can be funny all of those traits

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and these these capabilities they can

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really help make our product even more

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fun and entertaining and palatable now

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just before we came on here to have a

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little chat you were telling me about

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some recent news I think it's recent

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news about homeopathy in pharmacies in

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Canada what's the story there yes I'm

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very happy about this so as your

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listeners may know the the Center for

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inquiry in the United States is suing

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Walmart

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because they're selling homeopathy and

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they're making it look like this is a

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genuine treatment and what they

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basically want is have some sort of

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signage in the store saying you know

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there's no good evidence that this thing

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works I've heard from some skeptics

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saying while this could never never

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possibly happen because you know they

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would lose so much business but it has

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happened here in Quebec it is feasible

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and we didn't even need to sue anybody

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and we kind of got a lucky basically we

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now have signs and pharmacies in front

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of homeopathic products that are still

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being sold there unfortunately but but

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we do have signs that say that there's

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no good scientific evidence behind them

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please talk to your pharmacist if you

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have any questions and we got there

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because again what this whole thing

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taught me is that you know you really

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need to look at the system that is

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enabling these things to to happen to

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exist and because there might be a weak

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point in the system a cog that you can

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work on and this is what inadvertently

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happen in this case so I wanted to get

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more news coverage on homeopathy but

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it's very difficult because there's

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nothing new about it so how do you get

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the attention of the media well you you

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create news you have to generate new

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data and so I called up a hundred and

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fifty pharmacies all over the island of

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Montreal to ask them if they had a

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specific product a homeopathic product

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against the flu and two-thirds of them

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carried the product and so that's a new

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data point that we didn't have before

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that generated a lot of publicity this

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wasn't in the middle of flu season and

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one journalist wanted to know if

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pharmacists would actually endorse the

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product and so he did some really good

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back-to-basics gumshoe journalistic work

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he went to 20 pharmacies in Montreal he

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spoke to the staff there and a third of

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them said no don't buy this a third said

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well I'm not sure you might as well try

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and a third said yeah this stuff will

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definitely work and that was front page

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news for one of the biggest French

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language newspapers in Quebec and he

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asked for comments from the order of

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pharmacists of Quebec and the order said

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well we're very surprised by this we're

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gonna remind our pharmacists you know

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that if they do recommend these products

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that they're gonna find themselves in a

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bad place with regards to professional

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ethics and he also got a comments from

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the ABC peak you know the

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ABC PQ is a local association of

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pharmacy chains in Quebec and that

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particular association said while you

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know what we're gonna do we're gonna

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print out 6000 signs they will be

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optional you know we can't force anybody

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to put them up in their store but we're

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gonna mail them to every pharmacy in

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Quebec and they can put them up next to

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the homeopathic products that they're

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selling and we're also going to complain

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to Health Canada because ultimately

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Health Canada is approving these

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products and so a few months go by

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nothing happened and then a friend of

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mine texted me one day and he said

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here's what I found at my local

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drugstore what is this and the picture

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sure enough was of a sighing there in

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front of the homeopathic products and so

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we got confirmation the ABC PQ had

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printed those signs they were up there's

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now been a second printing they're

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bigger they're green they're very hard

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to miss they're optional but you know if

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because the thing about homeopathy is

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that a lot of people who buy don't

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realize what it is yes yes and so they

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think that it's just natural stuff and

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that it must work because it's being

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sold in a pharmacy well now there's a

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sign that is hard to ignore that says

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actually there's no good evidence that

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this thing is going to work please talk

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to your pharmacist and it creates a bit

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of a a bit of a weird situation where

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you go well why are you selling this if

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you're telling me that it doesn't work

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and that's good because it highlights

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the hypocrisy in the system it

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highlights the fact that pharmacies are

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after all businesses and they're gonna

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they want to make money I mean they're

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selling us chips and chocolate and soda

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and we know that these things are not

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not great for health but at least it

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highlights this hypocrisy and hopefully

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some people will be better informed next

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time they go in and shop for these

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things I think if I were you I you may

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have done this already you'd get one of

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these signs and have it framed yeah put

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this up on my wall absolutely

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now folks yes I encourage you to have a

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look at all the work that Jonathan's

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been doing this and really interesting

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vlogs up there on the YouTube channel

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things about regression to the mean

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anecdotes drugs and the media lots of

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things to look at and again start off

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start off with the bank start off with

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the fascinating video about ear candling

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and of course

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direct link to that in the show notes

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well Jonathan what a pleasure it has

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been to meet you via the strange

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interwebs and interview you and what's

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next

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on the horizon well I continue to do

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work for the McGill OSS so that's at

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McGill dot C slash OSS the podcast the

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body of evidence is still going on if

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people want to find it on their local

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you know podcasting app I give talks

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locally in Montreal I'm in the media

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quite a bit and also in October I will

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be speaking at saikhan so that's a big

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skeptical conference in Las Vegas that

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happens every year I was there two years

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ago as the meek attendee I interviewed a

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few people there for the the McGill OSS

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YouTube channel and now I've been

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invited as a speaker so I'll be talking

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on stage a little bit about what I just

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talked about today about the homeopathy

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thing about all the the really cool

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stuff has been happening for scepticism

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in Canada and also about how to join up

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how to help sort of defend science for

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the public because I think we need more

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more skeptics to go from being passive

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consumers to being activists and there

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are a lot of different ways of going

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about about this yes you're absolutely

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right and it's good to see that someone

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like you putting to good use lots of

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different skills lots of different skill

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sets well Jonathan again I'll link to

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everything in the show notes but for now

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thank you very much thank you Richard

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saikhan 2019 people are finally starting

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to wake up anti-vaxxers denounced as a

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danger to the public

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climate change deniers exposed as

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ideological zealots celebrity psychics

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have been caught red-handed using

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trickery homeopathy debunked this fake

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medicine flat-earthers seriously

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skeptics must seize this moment now is

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the time for the brightest minds and

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science and reason to come together to

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turn the tide against pseudoscience

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conspiracy theories and alternative

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facts and naturally we should do it in

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Vegas it's more fun that way

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now is the time for psych on 2019

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October the 16th to the 20th at the

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Flamingo resort in Las Vegas the

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incredible lineup of speakers includes

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actor John de Lancie of Star Trek and

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Breaking Bad Julia Sweeney of SNL and

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letting go of God string theory pioneer

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Brian Greene evolutionary biologist

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Richard Dawkins ex naturopath Brittany

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Hermes and many more including

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entertainment by illusionist Banacek and

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comedian Liane Lord for more information

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[Music]

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now sometimes it's hard to believe some

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of the news information the skeptic zone

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brings you here's a press release from

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New South Wales health data the 5th of

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September 2019 measles alert for

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travelers to New Zealand New South Wales

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health is urging New South Wales

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residents to be fully vaccinated against

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measles before traveling to New Zealand

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where almost 1000 cases have been

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reported this year so far in 2019 for

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measles cases have been introduced to

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New South Wales from New Zealand

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travelers and that number could rapidly

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increase due to a recent surge of cases

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in New Zealand since early August this

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highly contagious disease presents a

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risk not only to travellers and their

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families but also to the wider New South

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Wales community if people return from

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their travels infectious with measles

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dr. Shepherd said dr. Shepherd said

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anyone traveling to New Zealand should

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ensure they are fully vaccinated against

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measles before departure infants aged 6

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months or older should also receive a

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dose of measles vaccine before leaving

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Australia in the past two weeks people

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travelling between New Zealand and New

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South Wales may have exposed others to

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the infection in the following locations

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Friday the 23rd of August a New Zealand

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flight in z71 1 from Auckland to Sydney

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International Airport t1 arriving around

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9:00 10:00 p.m. Saturday 25th of August

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a New Zealand flight in z10 8 from

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Sydney International Airport t1 to

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Auckland departing at 7:50 p.m. Friday

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the 30th of August to Wednesday the 3rd

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of September various locations in the

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iron Bay area measles introduced by

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travelers has resulted in secondary

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cases in recent days in Penrith and

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hazel brook Wallsend Glen's Dale Katara

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and other locations in the Hunter New

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South Wales health director communicable

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diseases dr. Vickie Shepherd said people

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who have been in the same known

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locations as those with measles should

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be alert to symptoms it can take up to

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18 days for symptoms to appear following

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exposure to a person with measles

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anyone who develops symptoms should

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arrange to see their GP and call ahead

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to ensure they don't wait alongside

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other patients dr. Shepherd said

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symptoms to watch out for include fever

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sore eyes and a cough followed three or

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four days later by a red blotchy rash

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that spreads from the head to the rest

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of the body local public health units

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are following up with people who may

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have been in contact with the for

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measles cases and are issuing media

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releases about specific venues where

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community members may have been exposed

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full details of the exposure sites and

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times have been published on the New

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South Wales Health website health dot

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NSW dot gov to measles is a vaccine

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preventable disease that is spread

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through the air when someone who is

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infectious with the disease coughs or

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sneezes measles is one of the most

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contagious diseases for humans but two

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doses of measles mumps rubella vaccine

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provide lifelong protection against

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measles in 99 out of a hundred

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vaccinated people dr. Shephard said New

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South Wales health makes the measles

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vaccine available free for infants from

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six months of age and anyone born during

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or after 1966 who doesn't have to

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documented doses of measles vaccine if

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you're unsure whether you've been

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vaccinated against measles in the past

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it's safe to have a dose the New South

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Wales government is investing 130

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million dollars in the 2019 2020

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immunes

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program budget including Commonwealth

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and state vaccines for more information

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visit Health NSW government for

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travelers to New Zealand issue on the

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5th of September 2019 and I'll link to

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that in the show notes so you can read

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that release for yourself and it's

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largely thanks to the untiring efforts

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of that anti vaccination crowd that have

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convinced thousands of parents around

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the world not to vaccinate their

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children and this I think is largely due

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to conspiracy theories and as my friend

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Tim Farley might say well what's the

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harm the Surf Coast summer/spring

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these surf coast summer spring skeptic

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amp SCS SC is Australia's

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longest-running skeptic amp this year we

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are celebrating our seventh year if you

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want to share something on a skeptically

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related topic in which you are

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interested highlight some practices that

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you see is dubious and need to be

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brought to the attention of the

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skeptical community please offer to

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share your thoughts this is a sharing

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event where many contributors can

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combine to make a great day the event is

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free however please provide your own

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lunch but don't worry there are plenty

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of options

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locally tea coffee and biscuits will be

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provided all day that's Saturday the

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14th of September 2019 10:30 a.m. to

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4:00 p.m.

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the location is Aries in that community

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hall 6 Great Ocean Road aireys inlet

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Victoria office to present should be

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made to the skeptic groups of Victoria

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email address at SG o f v IC at

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gmail.com and to register just follow

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the Surf Coast summer spring skeptic

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camp Australia's longest-running skeptic

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Hammond here's Maynard spooky action at

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hi yes it's Sydney people are wandering

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around the street they're running around

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they're thinking about taking legal

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action if the lights don't change fast

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enough because they've got to get home

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because everyone's rushing and bashing

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to pay too much rent here in Sydney as

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it is Sydney's skeptics in the pub I've

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been tasked with the question of asking

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everybody what does the moment that you

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two turned your Skippy what was the

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moment was an event and the incident a

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happening that made you go that's it I'm

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so down with critical thinking now

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famously Lawrence Luna in his show talks

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about his experiences with Santa and

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trying to find out a bit more about

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Santa that was his moment other people

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will say that there are moments the look

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it's not so much critical it's mainly

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for thinking I just haven't quite gotten

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to the thinking thing yet but I'm sure

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one day I will get there I'm here with a

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few people that a dirty stop-out is here

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they're here for the very first time

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here at skeptics in the pub I know it's

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only early in the evening but what's

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your name sir James and Joseph okay now

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what what got you along here what I'll

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come along and do the sceptics thing

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tonight why what why it's not your first

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time I just want to see what this is

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about and try to learn say what's new

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and what I'm missing everyone sort of

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has their pet topic and scepticism I

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find where some for some people it's

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homeopathy for some people it can be

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anything close it really bugs them is

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there anything that bugs you that you

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went all come on people think critically

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not really I think all decision or or

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ideas have these floor and merits and

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I'm interested to know what are the

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merits and what are the flaws I use

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even-handed as said oh you're your guy

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in the office it yells out astrology

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astrology is bullcrap

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I'd be the opposite of the speech for me

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I think a lot of it I work in health for

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me at the moment a lot of it would be

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the immunizations at the moment New

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00:31:21,850 --> 00:31:18,550
Zealand's got a big measles outbreak

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we've got Muppets who are refusing to

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vaccinate the kids so then they end up

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with deformities or did

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because people are ultimately inflicting

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this the biased ideas on their children

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yeah the the kids don't really get an

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informed choice on and their parents

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we don't have an informed idea on but

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you know it got me fired up saying

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saying have you ever gone one-to-one

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arguing the point with an auntie vex

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person usually I wouldn't tend to go one

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to one

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I wouldn't tend to argue with people I

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think if that if they open to a good

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open dialog and a good conversation we

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can actually hey if I'm wrong then yeah

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that's absolutely fine if that wrong

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this let's have some fun but the only

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way to really progress and sort of

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develop your ideas is to have a good

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dialogue good discussion and find out

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where each other is coming from but some

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people yeah I find a lot of people have

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talked to about aunty Bais stuff they

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tend to be really strong a certain way

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and don't tend to want to discuss it so

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00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:27,040
yeah you are these people that'll say up

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00:32:29,780 --> 00:32:28,270
lady arguing with someone on the

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internet when you could be going to bed

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Naoko to bed yeah but you are the guy

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who would I used to but too many

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sleepless nights so I've pulled back a

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lot on it and I just like PT rooms open

764
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to their own opinion and ideas and but

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it seems like here's a good place for a

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good dialogue and that's sort of what

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drew me and usually I've been to a

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couple of these in theory I want an

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island actually we're a similar sort of

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set up with good pub pub talks and that

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and it had the Irish got a different

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00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:05,650
bent to their skepticality is an issue

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that they'd like to cover there in

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Ireland that we might be maybe not

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covering as much here I mean politics

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for them seems to be a big one although

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that varies between the North and the

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rest of Ireland the EU wants to get a

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border back they're going to put

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pressure on the Irish government to put

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a border back and maybe that maybe the

782
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Irish government just not not be

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answering the phone that day

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I think there'll be a bit of sick leave

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you squirt next month yes

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oh that smell I think that's your food

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flashing there yep get some nutrients

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India look now the question we are

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asking people tonight the one Richard

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wheeled out all the way from America or

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Atlanta or or Greece or the the cote de

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00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:46,929
rhône of every is this week has asked me

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00:33:50,669 --> 00:33:48,850
to do this for him and ask people is

794
00:33:52,529 --> 00:33:50,679
there a sceptical moment or a turning

795
00:33:54,029 --> 00:33:52,539
point where you went that's it I want

796
00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:54,039
more critical thinking in my life right

797
00:33:57,270 --> 00:33:55,870
now what event caused it did you have

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00:33:58,890 --> 00:33:57,280
London it's the thing where you buy the

799
00:34:01,470 --> 00:33:58,900
would have it or you just wouldn't what

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00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:01,480
about you I personally don't think that

801
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:04,090
I ever had one specific moment where I

802
00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:06,850
suddenly became a skeptic because I feel

803
00:34:13,609 --> 00:34:10,030
like I was always a little bit skeptical

804
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:13,619
of various things and just over time I

805
00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:15,730
kind of changed my mind

806
00:34:19,980 --> 00:34:18,190
about stuff you mentioned earlier that

807
00:34:22,409 --> 00:34:19,990
you're your mum is into certain things

808
00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:22,419
that don't have as much skeptical track

809
00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:24,100
as they should which I thought would

810
00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:25,540
make for great interesting Christmas

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00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:27,909
dinner conversations with your mum yeah

812
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:30,550
look I mean generally speaking my family

813
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:33,210
is more supportive of some things that I

814
00:34:38,190 --> 00:34:35,050
don't have great evidence like

815
00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:38,200
homeopathy and crystal healing and

816
00:34:44,010 --> 00:34:41,950
various other methodologies that aren't

817
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:44,020
very evidence-based crystal healing

818
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:45,940
that's one I haven't heard at a skeptics

819
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:49,050
meeting mentioned for quite some time so

820
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:51,129
traditionally what would you do would

821
00:34:53,879 --> 00:34:52,810
you would the crystal just be near you

822
00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:53,889
or you don't have to have physical

823
00:34:57,570 --> 00:34:55,240
contact with it how does it actually

824
00:35:00,330 --> 00:34:57,580
work from what you've seen anyway well I

825
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:00,340
think because I I went to South various

826
00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:02,170
alternative practitioners as a child I

827
00:35:06,990 --> 00:35:05,350
don't think any of them like there many

828
00:35:08,430 --> 00:35:07,000
of them were primarily homeopaths that

829
00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:08,440
would like dabble in various other

830
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:10,030
things I don't know if this is you know

831
00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:12,250
proper personal healing and invited

832
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:14,470
summers but I had one person who would

833
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:16,380
who gave me a little test tube of

834
00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:18,850
containing crit like a crystal and a few

835
00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:20,590
pieces of fur and like some other

836
00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:22,270
sprinkle anything yeah

837
00:35:27,110 --> 00:35:25,420
and I had to carry sure wasn't this is

838
00:35:30,030 --> 00:35:27,120
getting towards witchcraft at this point

839
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:30,040
well I mean isn't homeopathy witchcraft

840
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,770
anyway controversial opinions here on

841
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:34,720
Thursday night so so you think that this

842
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:37,810
is what what term do you think I think I

843
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:41,530
overtime I think I always had a little

844
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:44,170
bit of a kernel of disbelief within me

845
00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:45,910
and over time I just became more

846
00:35:50,130 --> 00:35:48,940
confident in expressing that which is

847
00:35:51,810 --> 00:35:50,140
why I don't think I can necessarily

848
00:35:54,570 --> 00:35:51,820
pinpoint it at one time where I was

849
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:54,580
suddenly a skeptic or not something I'm

850
00:35:58,650 --> 00:35:56,530
pretty skeptical of and I copied a lot

851
00:36:00,480 --> 00:35:58,660
from my DJ friends is I'm pretty much

852
00:36:02,580 --> 00:36:00,490
convinced that vinyl does not sound

853
00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:02,590
better than a digital signal I'm sorry

854
00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:04,840
I'd the vinyl it just sounds muffled and

855
00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:06,430
if you like your sound muffled that's

856
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:07,030
fine

857
00:36:11,550 --> 00:36:09,670
I reckon you're probably probably not

858
00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:11,560
wrong there I wonder if there's been any

859
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:13,780
randomized control trials well there has

860
00:36:18,030 --> 00:36:15,910
been but it's a bit there bit

861
00:36:19,470 --> 00:36:18,040
inconclusive sometimes skipped or it's

862
00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:19,480
done a good episode on it Brian Dunning

863
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:22,030
did one and it can be a bit inclusive as

864
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:23,650
people bring their own biases so you

865
00:36:26,850 --> 00:36:24,640
better make sure it's completely

866
00:36:29,010 --> 00:36:26,860
double-blind like a medical thing and

867
00:36:30,690 --> 00:36:29,020
and I think it comes out about even in

868
00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:30,700
chance I think that some people do like

869
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:33,670
a warm sound so a muffled warm sound

870
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:35,710
there's nothing wrong with that yeah

871
00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:38,560
look I think it's a bit like eggs right

872
00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:41,500
and I saw people discussing this

873
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:44,140
recently on Twitter there's no evidence

874
00:36:48,270 --> 00:36:46,450
that organic eggs have it any

875
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:48,280
differently flavored to non-organic AIDS

876
00:36:53,550 --> 00:36:50,650
all eggs taste the same basically unless

877
00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:53,560
they're horribly poison but there's a

878
00:36:57,090 --> 00:36:55,360
there's something in the story of an egg

879
00:36:59,100 --> 00:36:57,100
that you've grown it whether your

880
00:37:01,320 --> 00:36:59,110
chickens have laid you've picked out of

881
00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:01,330
a hutch that you've cracked open and

882
00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:01,750
cooked

883
00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:03,580
can I use one of my favorite words now I

884
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:05,350
never get to say this word but in this

885
00:37:10,350 --> 00:37:07,450
conversation its relative cloaca

886
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:10,360
well Wacka Wacka Wacka there you go

887
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:17,290
that's all I can say continue on I'm not

888
00:37:20,130 --> 00:37:18,850
regularly ever get to use the word I

889
00:37:21,690 --> 00:37:20,140
can't even write it on the side and hold

890
00:37:23,130 --> 00:37:21,700
it up without getting in trouble and

891
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:23,140
with a joke hang on we've got a cloaca

892
00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:26,320
story here yes where the chickens saw

893
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:28,870
their genitalia when they go to a

894
00:37:32,910 --> 00:37:31,270
nightclub I don't know where do chickens

895
00:37:33,580 --> 00:37:32,920
store their genitalia when they go to a

896
00:37:40,060 --> 00:37:33,590
nightclub

897
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:40,070
the cloaca room oh we're only jealous

898
00:37:43,060 --> 00:37:40,970
cus we haven't got one

899
00:37:47,110 --> 00:37:43,070
that's absolutely it's an all-purpose

900
00:37:48,970 --> 00:37:47,120
orifice yeah that's true yeah well if

901
00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:48,980
evolution got three for the price of one

902
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:51,980
there really didn't they absolutely have

903
00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:53,150
a good night tonight I hope you enjoy

904
00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:54,920
that I'll talk it's an environmental

905
00:38:01,540 --> 00:37:58,930
based talk it's coming up here thank you

906
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:01,550
we're having a deep critical thinking

907
00:38:05,170 --> 00:38:03,050
conversation about the work of the Human

908
00:38:06,610 --> 00:38:05,180
League I think everything through Human

909
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:06,620
League did is pretty good and I even

910
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:08,470
like them now and Phil Oakey what a guy

911
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:12,640
and we've got Tim here with Jimmy yeah

912
00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:15,310
I'm president of the anti human league

913
00:38:19,780 --> 00:38:17,870
well that's right goose you are of the

914
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:19,790
opinion which a lot of people are that

915
00:38:23,770 --> 00:38:21,890
everything the Human League did before

916
00:38:26,860 --> 00:38:23,780
the deer album was their good work

917
00:38:28,270 --> 00:38:26,870
absolutely I agree I think the every

918
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,280
critic who is worth a pinch of food

919
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:30,560
agrees with that actually guess what so

920
00:38:36,250 --> 00:38:31,910
you're completely discounting together

921
00:38:37,930 --> 00:38:36,260
in electric dreams even the film you're

922
00:38:43,210 --> 00:38:37,940
discounting the Lebanon that's a great

923
00:38:46,330 --> 00:38:43,220
track perhaps was he's wired up nipples

924
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:46,340
and things and he attorney I don't know

925
00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:48,650
look I enjoyed he's lopsided hairdo of

926
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:50,390
course he's bald now but the lopsided

927
00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:52,310
hairdo was good that's why he's bald now

928
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:53,750
age they never never have a lot never

929
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:55,610
hated them but uh riches want me to ask

930
00:38:59,500 --> 00:38:57,170
people tonight about that if there was

931
00:39:00,940 --> 00:38:59,510
an event or a thing that turned you into

932
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:00,950
the critical thinker and you and oh yeah

933
00:39:04,450 --> 00:39:01,910
that's what it's all about

934
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,460
well it's a long story and let me tell

935
00:39:09,340 --> 00:39:07,280
you okay one of those people yeah it was

936
00:39:11,290 --> 00:39:09,350
it was probably a series of events but

937
00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:11,300
really what first started me once

938
00:39:14,970 --> 00:39:12,950
apparently starts a lot of skeptics was

939
00:39:18,460 --> 00:39:14,980
Erich von däniken I have favorite

940
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:18,470
ancient astronaut theorists when I was a

941
00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:22,010
young whippersnapper he some excerpts of

942
00:39:27,730 --> 00:39:24,260
Chariots of the Gods Christian rock was

943
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:27,740
published in a Sunday newspaper over two

944
00:39:30,820 --> 00:39:29,210
weeks so the first one everyone thought

945
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:30,830
wow that's interesting let's see how it

946
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:33,050
really quite exciting and then people

947
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:34,400
writing and their letters were published

948
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:36,710
in the next issue of the newspaper and I

949
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,170
said fantastic his archaeology is great

950
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:40,880
but I'm an astronomer and he's astronomy

951
00:39:43,350 --> 00:39:41,440
[\h__\h]

952
00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:43,360
and other people would write in saying

953
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,950
II's the astronomy it's really good but

954
00:39:48,690 --> 00:39:46,480
I'm an archaeologist these archaeology

955
00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:48,700
is rubbish which prove two things

956
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:50,470
actually that never trust the scientist

957
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:52,930
outside of their field and never trust

958
00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:55,510
Erich von Daniken now return to the

959
00:39:59,580 --> 00:39:57,730
stars I've actually seen you giving away

960
00:40:01,560 --> 00:39:59,590
erich von daniken books at this very

961
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,570
skeptics in the pub I have actually yes

962
00:40:06,930 --> 00:40:03,040
in the past and they have they go like

963
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:06,940
cold case so how did you end up with so

964
00:40:10,980 --> 00:40:09,010
many did someone bequeath a collection

965
00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:10,990
at some stage someone bequeathed a huge

966
00:40:16,590 --> 00:40:13,660
collection about eight boxes turned up

967
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:16,600
on my doorstep from a gentleman in Nara

968
00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:18,730
who had probably finally had enough of

969
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:20,620
them actually collecting dust I've still

970
00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:22,330
got some of them but I gave quite a few

971
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:25,000
away I should actually sadly point out

972
00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:26,530
that the president of the sceptics at

973
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:28,780
the time grab all of the von Daniken

974
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:32,170
boss because Hey - Hey - was early an

975
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:35,650
early D convert of Erich von Daniken so

976
00:40:40,050 --> 00:40:38,410
I must say if you can possibly find the

977
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:40,060
movie that was the follow-up to charity

978
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:41,710
to the gods it's hosted by William

979
00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:45,010
Shatner right now I really of course it

980
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:46,630
wasn't there anymore he starts a Star

981
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:49,210
Trek theme yeah it's a yes he's standing

982
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:50,470
next to a model of the enterprise at the

983
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,450
beginning and he's great he and and I

984
00:40:57,780 --> 00:40:53,920
think he said lady you know he was just

985
00:40:59,880 --> 00:40:57,790
doing it for the money Shatner doing

986
00:41:02,130 --> 00:40:59,890
something for the shetland for money no

987
00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:02,140
that was his song his big song he had

988
00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:04,180
that he had there was the husband album

989
00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:07,270
that he did with Ben Folds the

990
00:41:11,070 --> 00:41:09,580
transformed man 612 60s near the

991
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:11,080
transformed man have a listen to that

992
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:14,650
people it is a great album yeah sure it

993
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:14,800
is

994
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:17,530
a lot of people did basically you've got

995
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,510
Erich von däniken to think for being a

996
00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:21,280
skeptic I'd really do actually yeah but

997
00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:22,660
then there was other things that cropped

998
00:41:27,090 --> 00:41:25,180
up along the way like while dishing the

999
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:27,100
dissing dishing get dishing von Daniken

1000
00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:29,530
I still believed in things like Bermuda

1001
00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:31,000
Triangle and stuff until you actually

1002
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:33,400
read some books that point out but

1003
00:41:36,270 --> 00:41:34,690
unfortunately that's not true that's not

1004
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:36,280
true that's not true so it's a gradual

1005
00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:38,290
process I don't think anyone has a flash

1006
00:41:42,570 --> 00:41:40,840
of light on the road to Damascus sort of

1007
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:42,580
moment and I think there's a gradual

1008
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:43,330
thing

1009
00:41:47,550 --> 00:41:45,130
and what we got tonight is our Speaker

1010
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:47,560
Tim we have a everything's talk about

1011
00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:49,300
science spending a bit cautious in the

1012
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:51,700
way it comes forward based on the issues

1013
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:54,400
of coal seam gas and the person who's

1014
00:41:59,010 --> 00:41:56,890
giving the talk is a environmentalist

1015
00:42:00,930 --> 00:41:59,020
and they are a science communicator and

1016
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:00,940
they're also a citizen scientists and so

1017
00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:03,250
a bit of a campaigner about various coal

1018
00:42:07,590 --> 00:42:05,830
seam gas sites in New South Wales you

1019
00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:07,600
you don't get too many citizen high

1020
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:09,550
court judges these days I've found you

1021
00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:11,050
they did not not many not even on the

1022
00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:12,190
internet now you don't get as many

1023
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:13,780
amateur scientists to making huge

1024
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:15,370
discoveries of planets and things yeah

1025
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:18,310
yeah time to change yeah and tonight is

1026
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:20,410
that night yes that's the one we found

1027
00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:23,110
them oh girl have been asking people

1028
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:24,760
what was this sceptical moment that

1029
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:26,410
turned them into maybe a skeptical or

1030
00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:28,090
could it go thinker but you're you've

1031
00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:29,260
got an answers a lot of people would

1032
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:31,420
happen that you didn't have one yeah I

1033
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:33,960
don't think I particularly had one I

1034
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,990
guess like I've always thought about

1035
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:38,560
questioning stuff

1036
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:40,330
I remember thinking about like when I

1037
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:41,890
was very young like like it was going

1038
00:42:49,410 --> 00:42:45,910
why mum why as I grew up in like a

1039
00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:49,420
default Christian household sort of very

1040
00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:51,190
like not very practising or whatever but

1041
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:53,110
just sort of like there is a God it

1042
00:42:56,820 --> 00:42:55,330
exists whatever and I remember thinking

1043
00:42:59,550 --> 00:42:56,830
to myself like in the playground like

1044
00:43:00,480 --> 00:42:59,560
giving challenges to God just in my head

1045
00:43:02,370 --> 00:43:00,490
you know because you should be able to

1046
00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:02,380
hear it if you exist then bla bla bla

1047
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:05,350
I'm like trying to assess the results

1048
00:43:12,540 --> 00:43:09,210
but like you were doing an on

1049
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:12,550
double-blinded small-scale experiment

1050
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,330
yeah just sort of in my head will there

1051
00:43:21,690 --> 00:43:18,160
be pizza for dinner tonight stuff like

1052
00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:21,700
that I guess so yeah that's what I was

1053
00:43:26,430 --> 00:43:23,950
pretty young and then I guess as I grew

1054
00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:26,440
up of come across all sorts of different

1055
00:43:30,450 --> 00:43:28,870
people have different views about things

1056
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:30,460
that I thought I knew more about and

1057
00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:32,890
that's made me learn to question things

1058
00:43:37,050 --> 00:43:34,990
are much better right so it's it's not

1059
00:43:40,020 --> 00:43:37,060
so much a moment for some people it's a

1060
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:40,030
journey like life itself very much so

1061
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,810
yeah I'm here at a serial complainer I

1062
00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:45,520
know he's had a lot to say about me over

1063
00:43:49,050 --> 00:43:47,740
the years how I can I'm fine I'm still a

1064
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:49,060
grumpy old man thank you

1065
00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:50,350
both look I think you should wear that

1066
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,940
with pride thank you very much so how

1067
00:43:55,620 --> 00:43:53,440
many copies of carats of the Gods have

1068
00:43:57,390 --> 00:43:55,630
you got at home I have read it and I

1069
00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:57,400
read the sequel and I was absolutely

1070
00:44:01,980 --> 00:43:59,170
disgusted then this is back when I was a

1071
00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:01,990
teenager so I was a skeptic back then

1072
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:04,150
even you a cranky young teenager back I

1073
00:44:08,190 --> 00:44:05,710
was a cranky young teenager and I've

1074
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:08,200
developed it into PhD material now

1075
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:10,990
Richard sent me out asking people was

1076
00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:13,090
there a moment where you were there an

1077
00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:14,740
event that triggered your skepticism in

1078
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,060
a man hey I'm going to go down this path

1079
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:17,680
did that happen to you or has it been a

1080
00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:19,690
bit like an evolution with you well

1081
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:22,390
actually I think as I said I've always

1082
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been rather skeptical and following

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Erich von Daniken and that's oh and I

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became an air traffic controller now I

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worked in the aviation industry and it's

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a very unforgiving and dangerous

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environment so there is no room in there

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for fruitloop reading everything is

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based on hard science everything you do

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has to be justified to a court when I

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finished with air traffic control I

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found it a difficult transition to go

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into the mainstream world where any sort

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of fruit loop area gets that gets a

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hearing but I never did anything about

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it until I saw how the anti-vaccination

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movement harassed grieving families and

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I thought someone's got to do something

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about this so I did now did this take

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the form of direct phone calls to them

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or just talking about grieving families

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in the press

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no I it was it was a strange thing that

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the the New South Wales legislation had

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been changed very recently to allow a

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complaint to the healthcare Complaints

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Commission about unregistered

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practitioners so I thought I will test

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the legislation and put in a complaint

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about the Australian vaccination Network

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and see what happens and lo and behold

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the H Triple C - you know god bless them

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they took up the complaint eventually it

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led to a public warning issued against

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the ABN which we then used to discredit

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them in the media which meant that the

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media no longer went to them thought it

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circles so called informed comment and

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it led to further legislation changes

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and political politicians getting onside

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it led to

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no Jeff no play no Jeff no pay things so

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it all began back when the

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anti-vaccination Froot Loops harassed a

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grieving family if they had not done

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that maybe none of this would have

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happened and that's and that's what

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that's what stepped up your skepticism

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absolutely and also being a grumpy old

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man who's retired and so what you do I

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just sort of grumpy around the house

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these days you're grumpy with your

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neighbors with the lawn ah with the lawn

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with the neighboring kids I mean it just

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about anything you can think of I'll be

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grumpy about yeah and as you noticed

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I've moved on to car practice I mean now

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there's a good target for anyone it's

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not even grumpy I mean there's a bunch

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of Froot Loops of ever I've heard of any

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and they're getting into psychiatry yeah

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we found a chiropractor who claims he

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can treat psychiatric illnesses now too

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the average psychiatrist this is just

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absolutely horrifying because

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psychiatric illnesses can lead to

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suicide

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Vince this is really serious stuff so

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I'm determined to do something about it

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I mean there's enough controversy about

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actual psychiatry without having it

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somebody else who isn't even using that

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that's what we don't want to add to the

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Boris Diaw m'appelle Elizabeth faith

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years socotra stupid cast method a shot

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de Foix pamaj Papa's video Villanova

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novelty explorer 11 available a

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metacognition pop Kwang Johnson screen

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opens Oh Rizzo disease emissions on

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sweetie Tremblay Moderne order demon

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hunter holliman ugly whiskers - arabic

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Jessica sub-option go universe Java new

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method a shot and they will see ash

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a bientot method a shot hello everyone

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00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:07,260
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00:48:15,050 --> 00:48:12,630
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[Music]

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thank you for listening to the skeptics

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00:49:02,200 --> 00:48:58,060
are now I'm down here on Market Street

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near Embarcadero BART station and just

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00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:06,890
to see a wonderful old California San

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00:49:12,670 --> 00:49:10,430
Francisco streetcar cable car rattled by

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00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:12,680
Van Ness Avenue California it says in

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Market Streets

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00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,550
it's something you see out of the TV out

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00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:19,040
of the movies it's a wonderful wonderful

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where it's a tourist attraction I

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suppose San Francisco Municipal Railway

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it says and there's a modest lineup here

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people ready to get on coming up on next

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week's show I hope to bring you some

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interviews from wonderful people I met

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00:49:39,339 --> 00:49:36,290
at DragonCon including the young author

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00:49:42,970 --> 00:49:39,349
Bailey Harris at 13 she has written

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00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:42,980
three books on science for children also

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00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:45,770
it was my great pleasure to see dr.

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Pamela gay and I think I'm gonna line up

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00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:50,480
an interview with her to find out what's

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00:49:57,780 --> 00:49:52,970
going on there's a skateboarder skate by

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but for this week with the passing

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parade that is San Francisco

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00:50:13,540 --> 00:50:04,370
this is Richard Saunders signing off

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00:50:16,540 --> 00:50:13,550
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